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Jaw-dropping realization of this morning: the number of fans participating in Yuletide is bigger than the number of fans who vote for the Hugo awards.

Last year's Yuletide participants: 1995
This year's Hugo voters: 1800 or so - ETA: 1848, by official report.

I'm not even sure why I'm so surprised by this random comparison. Probably it's because I roamed around in SF/F con fandom before media fandom, and this feels like such a strange crossover.

It's also boggling because the Hugos carry a lot of prestige (I think, still?) and yet the group that votes for them is so small, and confined to people who are paying either tons of money to go to Worldcon, or $50 for a 'voting membership' that won't let them go to the con, but gets them copies of the books.

And I don't know how big the overlap with Yuletiders is; I'm betting it's there, but not huge. But I'm fascinated, anyway.

(What do you think the chances are of John Scalzi winning a Best Novel Hugo for Redshirts, if the Yuletide participants were the ones voting?)

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Date: 2013-09-13 11:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jae
I've participated in yuletide and voted in the Hugo awards, but never in the same year.


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Date: 2013-09-13 12:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] parhelion
I'm also a double-voter (although not this year).

I don't know that Scalzi would have done as well as he did if the Yuletide fans voted, but I'm wagering he would still have done pretty well. Redshirts was a fun and solidly written book, it used some fannish tropes, Scalzi is on record as being sympathetic to fandom, and he's put himself out there while trying to be a decent guy on various issues the past few years. Given all that and the fact that not everyone sees the best book of the year as the book that best fits the current literary fashions about quality -- an interesting discussion to be had there -- I doubt he would have trailed the pack.

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Date: 2013-09-13 03:52 pm (UTC)
arduinna: a tarot-card version of Linus from Peanuts, carrying a lamp as The Hermit (Default)
From: [personal profile] arduinna
... Wow. That's mind-blowing. I've been to Worldcon a few times, but didn't vote the one year I was eligible (I did day passes the other two times), but somehow in my head the pool of voters was, like, 5,000-10,000 or so.

The Hugos definitely still have lots of prestige! But wow. Such a tiny proportion of con-going SF fandom deciding what SF fandom at large loves most that year. (Tons better than a panel of 3 with personal preferences and grudges, but still. So few!)

Something about that comparison makes me want to wave it at that particular kind of SFF fan who sneer at fanfic as a disorganized mob of wannabes.


Date: 2013-12-31 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] talking_sock
Happened on this post and wondered: has anyone written anything about Yuletide in any press or papers? I remember it got memed last year with the octopus slash, but not sure it ever hit any articles anywhere, even MarySue?

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